Some More Thoughts on Protectionism

Commenting on this post, Rob makes the case the protectionism is a legitimate policy if it is done on grounds of morality. In other words, if Nation A decides to enact a protectionist policy against Nation B, it is legitimate only if its motivation is because of certain policies (say labor or environmentally related) that Nation A calls into question.

Let's remember that protectionist policies are government mandated policies, most notably enacted as price controls in the form of tariffs and subsidies. So protectionist policies are determined by government officials, not markets.

Rob claims he doesn't have faith in markets to make such decisions, but seems to believe government actors do. He concludes his comment by stating, "it is simply the right of a nation to decide what crosses their borders," which I interpret as meaning government officials possess the right to determine what crosses the nation's borders, and thus enter the marketplace.

Here are my issues with this view:

1. How is it determined what economic practices and policies are moral or not? For example, are sweat shops with "low" wages and "unsafe" working conditions "immoral"? Why? What role does bias, perception and relativism have to play in this determination?

2. Who is making these moral decisions? Why should they be trusted? What are the checks on their decision-making?

3. How far can we extend this moral governance? To domestic issues? To the state and local level? Where is the line drawn? Why there?

4. If markets are not to be trusted, why not?

5. Public Choice Theory would argue that political actors are more subject to the irrational emotions market actors are normally subjected to (greed and fear) because they have less "skin in the game." How are we to trust that they [political actors] are immune to these forces in these instances?

6. Trade has been one of the greatest catalysts of economic dynamism and productivity. What does limiting it, even on moral grounds, ultimately achieve, especially for those whom are being protected against and are thus at the greatest disadvantage?

7. Costs go far beyond regulatory costs. There are real price costs, opportunity costs, political costs, etc... How are these to be measured? What is the cost/benefit? For example, much of the reason the American-Cuban Trade Embargo is still in place is due to "moral" reasons (the fact that these so called moral motivations are so murky to begin with supports my first question). Now would anyone seriously argue, from an economic perspective, that the benefits of this policy have outweighed the costs?

8. Going back to relativity, what degree does the demand for safety, environmental protections, etc... have to play? If these are immutable laws, as supply and demand in whatever form often are, what is the point of attempting to legislate them away? What are the unintended consequences of doing so?

9. Finally, you [Rob] used Rawls' "Veil of Ignorance" thought experiment to claim that, "I can imagine situations in which I would design a world such that protectionism were allowed despite not knowing what country I would be born in." I think I may see your point, as the costs of racism, from our perspective, are far more visible than the costs of protectionism, especially on an anecdotal level. But that seems like a straw man to me. The negative effects still exist (and probably to a much greater degree) even if they don't grab the same headlines. In that sense, I think the Rawlsian line of reasoning shifts the emphasis of the argument in a different direction and thus doesn't have much relevance to this discussion.

To Discriminate or Not to Discriminate? That is the Question...

Via Cafe Hayek, here and here are two op-ed pieces I enjoyed on discrimination, in particular in regards to Rand Paul, Rachel Maddow and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I actually think the whole argument is a straw man, but it's still fun to debate it.

The question is this: Should it be legal for private parties to discriminate against other private parties based on the formers' personal preferences?

Random Thoughts

Why does one's snoring wake others but never the snorer?

Your Daily Dose of the Nanny State

Via The Big Lead:

New York City’s Public Schools Athletic League is examining pitch counts for high school pitchers and may introduce mandatory limits for next season.

Between this and the infamous salt ban, NYC is losing some serious street cred.

Profile of Tyler Cowen

A short but interesting profile of my favorite contemporary thinker, Tyler Cowen, in The Washington Post. A snippet:

Cowen, based on his reading of thousands of books, thinks stories trick readers because they are filtered: Writers "take a lot of information and they leave some of it out," he says. His answer to the existence question meandered across philosophy and the reasons one might commit suicide, but in this profile, that response will be filtered out and replaced with a simpler set of facts about Cowen's own existence. As Cowen noted about the media in a recent book, "The tendency is to fit all facts into the format of a story, usually with a memorable protagonist, even when the reality is more complex."

(HT: Marginal Revolution)

I Must Be Missing Something...

I know I'm oversimplifying it, and I'm sure Rob will correct me, or at least clarify some stuff, in the comments section, but is this situation really expected to be solved with more debt? Or is it just to buy time? Or is there another answer?

In my eyes, the bailout is a signal is investors, traders, speculators, whomever, that the eurozone will survive and become stable. And tt was a strong signal, just look at yesterday's equities performance.

But does it change anything fundamentally? Or is this thing just a really, really big Band-Aid for a patient with terminal cancer? Is painful chemo (revamping of fiscal austerity measures) the only real solution? (sorry for the horrible analogy).

It's way too early to tell.

Well Said, Sir

A gem of a comment from commenter dietwald on a recent Cafe Hayek post:

Every year, the US allows the immigration of hundreds of thousands of non-English speaking, uneducated, unproductive people who spend years taking advantage of the education and health care system without bothering to pay back one dime until they have been here for two decades or more. They cost billions, and many of them never bother to become productive members of society at all. Many will engage in various crimes, even murder, and the government is doing nothing to make sure they don't come here in the first place.

They are called babies.

Almost all the arguments against uncontrolled immigration can be equally applied to uncontrolled births. Considering that most immigrants want little more than make a living by providing services to willing customers, its quite easy to argue that immigrants - illegal or not - are probably less costly and harmful to the US than babies.

Immigration Issues


Why should it be illegal for any person to come to the United States, assuming his intentions are peaceful and he is not likely to become a public charge or health risk?

Obviously the question makes some large assumptions, but I think it is a very good, sensible starting point on immigration from both a practical and philosophical perspective. It would force people to reveal their true beliefs, and, hopefully, force them to acknowledge their significantly biased, if not false, premises.

This is pure conjecture, but, as I have alluded to a few times in earlier posts, I think national borders are an obsolete concept that probably do more harm than good.

Mary Anastasia O'Grady of the The Wall Street Journal does something I have heard no one in the mainstream press do when talking about immigration; talk about the drug trade. And not only does she talk about it, but she does it very well. A snippet:

It’s tempting to couch the organized crime problem as an issue of sovereignty (i.e., Mexicans are invading!) but that ignores the role of the demand for drugs. The solution has to start with acknowledging that drug trafficking through Arizona—a key concern of citizens of that state—is the product of a complex set of federal policy failures.

You simply cannot talk about immigration and not mention The War on Drugs. Yet to mention drug prohibition today seems to be taboo, or those whom you speak with seem to cast you as a nut or a joke. I find this to be very unfortunate and a hinderance towards progress.

Tick, Tick, Tick...

Tyler Cowen lists twelve points on the Euro bailout, linking to some other sophisticated writers in the process.

Today is going to be a great day for equities, but I'm definitely bearish long-term on this move. I think Cowen's last point is his best:

12. How much time has the EU bought itself?

And that's the $64,000 question.

Do You Support This?

I'm having trouble posting this video, so I'm just going to drop the link here.

WARNING: Content is graphic and disturbing.

The backstory on the video is the police were late on executing a warrant on a man suspected of holding "dealer-sized amounts" of marijuana. They found a misdemeanor amount, as well as some paraphernalia.

When we hear about instances like this, as I did when Radley Balko first reported on it, most of us tend to shrug our shoulders. We think it's stupid or unfortunate or the inevitable result of human error. And then we go about our day.

But when we see it, when we hear it, when we practically experience it ourselves, that is when we feel something else, something far more powerful, moving, and in this case, frightening, than just words on paper. After watching the video, did you not feel the horror of the seven-year old daughter? The fear and anguish of the mother? The shock, sorrow and humiliation of the father?

This, simply put, is domestic terrorism.

Do you support it? If so, why?


(HT: Megan McArdle)